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Anledning till att branschen har blivit rutten?

Tråden startades av Alex

Hej!
Läser ständigt folk som klagar på hur dålig denna bransch är med arbetsvillkor, löner, ratings etc. Men vad är anledningen till att det har blivit såhär?

Publicerad den 2015-05-10 18:30
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Jag är inte bitter
2015-05-14 09:42

“De nya turisterna” har vant sig vid att flyga billigt. Idag tycker de flesta att 2500kr t/r till t.ex Barcelona är i överkant. För 10 år sedan kostade billigaste biljetten 4.500kr.

Ryanair har pressat priserna och fått över 80 miljoner passagerare, och dessutom visar de vinster som de flesta bolag bara kan drömma om.

Så bolagen sänker priserna och RASK sjunker. Ja då måste man sänka kostnaderna. Europa är fullt av unga Styrmän som kan tänka sig att jobba för 20.000kr i månaden i ett par år för att skaffa erfarenhet. Hellre 20.000kr i månaden än inget jobb alls.
Flygbolagen (även s.k seriösa bolag) börjar självklart fundera på om inte de också ska betala mindre för piloter då det finns så hög tillgång. Någon prövar, det funkar, andra följer efter, ruljansen är igång. Race to the bottom!

Oljepengar
2015-05-13 22:30

Ett tänkvärt inlägg citerat från forumet pprune:

“A Matter of Time

We all seek three basic features from a job: Money or value in benefits, Job satisfaction and Time off or, more pertinently, time unencumbered by the employment. This is not necessarily in order of priority and the value of each aspect is a personal choice.

Of course there are other aspects and features but I would argue that these are the three main pillars. For example, the feeling of being valued and respected by the company would be a subset of job satisfaction.

These three aspects, Money, Satisfaction and Time are almost always counterweighted. If you want more time off be prepared to sacrifice money. Some of the higher paying jobs require eating plenty of humble pie and keeping your mouth shut as fools around you make decisions. Hardly satisfying, depending on your tolerance of bullies.

Most of us try to strike a ratio that is constantly changing as we progress through life.

As pilots early on we often chase the machine. The prospect of a heavy jet, the kudos and the ego send us up the slippery pole, prostituting ourselves as we climb.

Enter the wife and kids and suddenly a C172 looks good if the salary is enormous. Unlikely I know but anything will do if it pays the bills!

Later, when we have flown it and been there and done it several times, our mortality dawns upon us so the appeal of unstressed time off with the children and grandchildren moves to center stage provided there have been no major financial disasters along the way.

In aviation all three pillars have been eroded; less money, less time and increasing stress.

I see many posts asking for information of salary, benefits and flying hours at my company and it amazes me how naive the questions are.

Salary – That’s simple. As an absolute monthly value it has been decreasing in real terms for the past 20 years. This is indisputable and provable to anyone with a modicum of financial savvy. As a function of remuneration per hour the picture gets rapidly worse. Equally provable. This is in line with the industry as a whole.

Job Satisfaction – More complicated. The equipment is superb as is the route structure. Work colleagues are a great bunch on the whole. Company ethos however has been devastated by a punitive culture often devoid of empathy and frequently disrespectful. See threads on punitive action and unexplained major changes – An unexplained order to fly flat out being the latest testament. Additionally there is no cognizance of previous record, you are as good as your last flight and therein the Sword of Damocles hangs. It hardly makes you feel valued or part of some “team”. Attempts to hear concerns through “wash ups” are a placebo to an ever increasing resentment – most issues never followed to a conclusion or even presented to someone who can act or respond coherently.

This brings me to the final pillar…

Time – Arguably this is where the most damage has occurred. To look at flying hours expected per month for an indication would be insanity for any prospective joiner. If they asked that at an interview I would immediately mark them as either having a low problem solving aptitude or a lamb to the slaughter. It is way more complex than that.

The question must be: How much time does one spend in the service of the company? Here is where it gets murky.

For a start any official indication would be false. For example you won’t start work an hour before the flight as per FTLs nor will your work be over half an hour after. There is much about unaccounted duty on this forum.

Then there is the question of how much actual time will be spent in attaining the magic monthly productivity threshold target of enthusiastic rostering clerks. This can vary by over 50% depending on fleet and roster. Understand that if you spend more time at work in pursuit of your hour target you will get less time off to recover. Insanity at its finest. Ask the walking zombies on the No ULR/Turnaround fleet over the last years.

Next factor in time not accounted for in the productivity target but nevertheless rostered. Simulator sessions, groundschools, SEP. Serious work but the target hours will not be affected, look forward to real roster compression.

Next factor in the time spent with other company related business. Online learning, endless deluges of notices many accompanied with dire warnings on failure to comply report and email writing to explain various online occurrences.

Leave and Days off is a subject all on its own. Again there is much on this forum. Leave is often used in for and in lieu of days off. A financial coup for the company when they attain over 90 hours with 5 days leave in the month.

Now drill down some more: Accommodation and Payroll issues, medical claims and appointments, claims for various other legitimate expenditure, Roster and Leave queries, HR compliance – the list is endless. Many of these involve multiple unanswered emails and phone calls due to the inability or reluctance to act or simply inadequate or incompetent staffing. Claims are legendary. The system seems to be designed for every possible obstacle and delay.

I have not even begun on the time spent simply living in the city. This comes with a host of requirements to simply exist. Photos and original copies are required for almost everything, the distances are vast, the traffic frenetic, parking sparse and you are likely to be met by a blank face advising you they require yet another form not mentioned on website or phone. Banks are at liberty to do exactly what they like with little avenue for recourse. The best of a bad bunch is another topic on this forum. Be prepared to spend a great deal of time in monitoring the villains who will attempt to extract another penny for every service you may need. Perhaps other posters can flesh out this area – The multiple frustrations of living in the Middle East.

I could go on but hopefully the essence is clear.

If you have eyes in this direction please do your homework and look at how the three fundamentals are important to you both now and in the future. However pay special attention to Time- You can’t buy it and lack of it makes you sick and old. There won’t be nearly as much as there seems on paper. It is extracted at every turn.

With low hour FO’s on the cards due to the recently reduced experience bar and DECs in the offing, allegedly being lured by joining the salary scale several steps above other captains, the package may look attractive but I suggest they consider what is important in life and do a pragmatic review.

Don’t return home with a bank balance but a bankrupt and broken life.”

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/561366-matter-time.html

Pilot
2015-05-11 16:26

Branschen är inte rutten alls utan blir sakteligen normaliserad.

P-ONDY
2015-05-11 11:31

När easyJet sökte 35 nya piloter med A319/A320 type rating år 2013 så fick de nästan 300 ansökningar. Överskott av piloter driver ned lönerna.

Johan
2015-05-11 11:06

Ett enormt överskott på Piloter är grundproblemet.
Börja sålla tidigare än vid arbetsintervjun. Dvs redan innan utbildningen börjar, då blir det mindre piloter på marknaden, och dom som inte kommer in hos nån seriös aktör slipper att köra Pay2Fly/timmkontrakt som oseriösa bolag som Ryan mfl använder. En sund balans skulle återeställas och bolagen skulle bli tvugna att bli attraktiva som arbetsgivare istället för att tävla om vem som kan få mest betalt av piloterna/cc

@Alex
2015-05-10 23:47

fan vad du klagar!!!

Kurt
2015-05-10 22:03

Stenhård konkurens och många bolag. Lågprisbolag från låglöneländer där villkåren ser helt annorlunda ut än vad det gör i Sverige. Bra paralell med åkeribranchen.

Mr B
2015-05-10 19:52

Bara att hoppas att Storbritannien kräver utträde ur EU och att vi också gör densamma! 😉

BC
2015-05-10 18:44

Därför att det finns fortfarande bra kontrakt. Många tar skitkontrakt i hopp om att komma in i branschen och sedan komma åt de bra kontrakten.
Kolla lönerna i Kina för Kaptener, det är svårt att komma upp i såna nivåer på de flesta jobb. Även Emirates, Qatar osv. Några års erfarenhet och man hoppas på att åka dit och tjäna 70000 skattefritt varje månad.

Även på SAS kan man bli lycklig. Fråga vilken 20 åring som helst om de vill ha ett fast jobb med 12 dagar ledigt per månad och en lön som startar på 28395 per månad för att gå upp till 91500 kr i månaden efter 29 år. De flesta människorna i dagens arbetsmarknad skulle vara nöjda.

Branschen har blivit rutten för alla på botten. Precis som inom restaurang, försäljning, hotell och nästan alla branscher. Det är jävligt svårt att vara ung idag och försöka ta sig in i vuxenlivet utan support från föräldrar.

Bolagen utnyttjar de nyas ambitioner att jobba sig uppåt i branschen. Då måste bolagen med bra kontrakt anpassa sig nedåt för att kunna konkurrera.

Facit
2015-05-10 18:36

Dina föräldrar röstade FÖR EU under folkomröstningen 1994.

– Fri rörlighet av arbetskraft inom EU
– Fri etableringsrätt inom EU

Det som händer inom Flygbranschen nu är samma som Åkeribranschen gick igenom för 10 år sedan.

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